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ESun TPE 83A, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly...

9/14/2024

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For some things where the typical 95A TPU is too hard, ESun's 83A TPE really can shine, since it is more flexible, and can provide a rubbery surface where that may be necessary.  I've been working on a couple projects where a more rubbery material is required, so have been having to run some of the ESun TPE though my Bambu X1C.  I say "having to run" since it is a bit of a pain to get it working well.  I have not found a spool roller which did not overly stretch the TPE before it could reach the hotend, so I have been resorting to stabbing a short length of Bowden tube into the hot end (which runs over the side), and then laying out the length of filament to the side of the printer in a figure 8 loop.  That setup allows for a low friction filament path, and works well.. as long as I unspool enough material.  Although that method works, I still have a good share of failures with it, some are just general weird issues where I cannot be sure what happened, while others are my fault for one reason or another.  I do have more successes than failures though, and considering the difficulty of the material, I just consider it a learning experience.  
The only change I make in the slicer when running this TPE, is to run it with gyroid infill, and to use the "Generic TPU" filament profile with the "Max Volumetric Speed" set to 2.0m³/s.
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So, although the ESun 83A TPE is a good choice if the 95A TPU won't work, it is a bit more difficult to run, due to it's stretchy nature.  I don't consider that a drawback though, since it is just a more flexible material, and therefore more difficult.  One thing that does concern me though, is that when I've had to open the enclosure when this TPE is running, I notice that my sinuses seem to be a bit irritated afterwards.  It doesn't smell however, and this is just an observation of something that has occurred several times while working with it.  I run this, and really everything, inside a ducted and filtered enclosure, so I don't notice anything normally, which is fortunate.  Needless to say, I don't enjoy running this material, but it's good to know that I can if I have to.  If running this though, I strongly suggest using a vented enclosure.

TL;DR

The GOOD:
  • It can print really nicely (when dry).
  • It is more flexible and "rubbery" or grippy than standard 95A TPU.
  • It is on the less expensive side for a more flexible filament (around $28).

The BAD:
  • It takes a bit of work to get enough friction out of the filament path, to get it to feed correctly.
  • A top mount, ball bearing, center axis spool holder, and a direct drive, would be the best setup (with the spool almost centered over the bed).
  • Even with a smooth filament path, some failures will still happen.

The UGLY:
  • I'd only run it in a ducted enclosure.
4 Comments
Josh
12/25/2024 09:17:01 pm

I finally was able to print this stuff! I have a K1C and my fiance got me a FlowTech MicroSwiss for xmas and I put it on, and decided to give the TPE a try again. I have been printing TPU with no issue's but not once could I get it to print the TPE from esun. I too thought about laying it out like you did, instead of it pulling inside the drybox. However, after swapping the hotend I printed a ring that was 4 walls thick, 50% gyroid infill and it was perfect. I use the same slow speeds as I do for TPU. BTW I taste something on my tongue when I print and put my air purifier by it and leave, yet there is no smell, but it off-fuming something.

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Mike link
1/8/2025 12:39:56 am

Apologies I did not see this comment earlier. That is interesting that the MS FlowTech hot end helped with this Esun 83A TPE. On my X1C, I feel the primary issue was the friction of the bowden, since I could feel a good deal of tension on the filament when it was trying to feed, which I felt could impact the actual flow rate. With that hacky setup, and a regular stock hotend it did work well though. I really like the eSUN 83A TPE for softer items, and have used it already on several things with pretty good success (probably 1 failure I recall in a dozen different prints).

I don't know about the smell though, since I run it in a ducted enclosure so what little of it I get a whiff of did not cause a similar issue. But it makes sense, and I hope you can get a bento box or even duct your printer outside. Maybe adding a carbon filter could help, like a nevermore or the bento box?

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pebenito
3/6/2025 07:32:01 am

I was also able to print on my X1C, but I was able to print with the roll in a Polymaker PolyDryer box. The roll was sitting on the 2 metal rollers rather than the optional center roller. I put the box on a shelf next to the printer and fed it out of the front grommet, so it would come out of the box and drop into the extruder.

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Mike link
3/7/2025 08:58:11 am

The PolyDryer looks cool, and it may have less friction in the rollers than my S2 dryer, which should really help with TPU. Feeding from above the printer is also a good idea, since it should be a straighter path to the tool head. If I were gonna buy another one, the PolyDryer would be a top choice too.

I can usually feed 95A TPU from my S2 dryer, but unfortunately not this ESun 83A, which seems to stretch and eventually clog if there is too much tension in the filament path.

But I've run several more prints using the ESun 83A, and aside from the issues setting it up (for me), it is makes really good parts.

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